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Poster: buscameby Date: January 08, 2010 11:15:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: and now for something competely WEIRD

http://www.archive.org/details/cipollina1980-05-08.aud.flac16

If you want to travel into a time and space that will twist a few brain cells, try that link.

I can't believe that Keith and Donna played with John Cippolina and they covered some pretty sweet tunes.

Donna's vocals on Stir it Up are sweet memories of when she sang with the JGB.

Its a rarity that I never expected to find.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: January 08, 2010 11:42:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

Thanks buscameby - I noticed that in the notes Keith is noted as "piano, vocal" and that Donna is the only other vocalist noted. However, I'm assuming that the male lead singer is actually John, even though he's listed as guitar only?? I would love to know if Keith actually sings lead on any songs here, since I have no idea what his voice sounds like.

Although it's muffled, it's an interesting recording.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: January 08, 2010 12:02:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

I dont think Cipollina ever sang did he? The other vocals are buried enough to maybe be Keith. I wonder if the " other" possible guitarist mentioned might be Kimock? He played with Keith and Donna and Zero was formed only a few years later

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Poster: jessandra Date: January 08, 2010 12:30:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

John did sing but not very well. I'll give it a listen - I'm a huge Cipollina fan!

Thanks for the link ;-)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: January 08, 2010 12:02:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

good find.

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Poster: patourkid Date: January 08, 2010 12:25:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

Thanks man outstanding find!~~~~

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Poster: jessandra Date: January 08, 2010 12:38:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Line-up for something competely WEIRD

Line-up: the Ghosts

John Cipollina - guitar
Keith Godchaux - piano, vocals
Donna Godchaux - vocals
Greg Anton - drums
Steve Kimock - guitar
Dexter LaBlanc - bass
Greta Rose - backup vocals

http://silveradoraremusic.blogspot.com/2009/09/ghost-featuring-john-cipollina-keystone.html

This post was modified by jessandra on 2010-01-08 20:38:42

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: January 08, 2010 12:44:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Line-up for something competely WEIRD

Well I'll be damned... I guess it IS Keith on vocals! Given that he was on the reclusive side with the Grateful Dead, it's interesting to hear him out front & center, and apparently enjoying himself.

Thanks for sharing that source!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: January 08, 2010 02:17:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

Is this how Garcia got turned on to Kimock?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: January 08, 2010 03:00:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kimock as Bogart

It's more likely that Kimock got turned on to Garcia - from a 1998 Enterzone interview with Kimock:

The Jerry Garcia Thing
X
Deadheads sometimes used to refer to the keyboard role in that band as the "hotseat," because a number of keyboard players passed through the band and not all of them survived. It seems to me like the lead guitar role in the Dead has got to be a hotter hotseat than the keyboards, as it were.

SK
I really do not think of it like that at all. I don't think there's any amount of pressure that could be brought to bear on my thinking about it that could be greater than the pressure I put on myself anyway just to play.

I knew Jerry Garcia. I didn't know him well, but we hung out and we talked, and we played a couple of times. He dug where I was coming from and I dug where he was coming from, and we kind of worked the same side of the street. When he died, I had the weirdest kind of feeling about it. Remember the Maltese Falcon, where Humphrey Bogart's partner gets snuffed by the girl? It was like that. I felt like I had to do something, like I couldn't just let it be that Jerry was dead, that the music was not happening or something.

X
So there's this feeling of obligation or responsibility.

SK
Yeah, it was like a work thing. It wasn't like an emotional thing. It was like a work thing. It was like, it doesn't look good. It's not good for business. Just like in the movie, you know? It's not good for anybody, not to do something about your partner getting killed. It's the Humphrey Bogart thing. I was being totally Humphrey Bogart about it. And then Vince all fell apart, and we picked him up, "Come on, let's go play," and got him playing.

The whole Jerry Garcia issue for me, again, has followed me around and followed me around. He played in a style, and yeah, he was Jerry Garcia, and yeah, he was the best guy in that style, but it wouldn't be any different if it was B.B. King, and there was only one blues band, right? and it was B.B. King's band, and B.B. King died, and they needed to get a guitar player because you gotta have some guitar. Well, then you'd get a guy that played the blues with a friggin' hollow-bodied guitar, you know?

There's some kind of West Coast psychedelic improvisational music style that Garcia played in, and he was obviously the king of that thing, but it was still a style, and John Cipollina played in that style. He was a West Coast psychedelic improvisation kind of guy. There's a bunch of guys. Jerry Miller was another one. Terry Haggerty was one of those guys who would just go for it, and get out. Obviously Garcia's contributions, just to the culture and the Dead and everything like that, are immeasurable, but he did play in a style, and I play in that style.

When you hang out in a room full of people and they've all got colds, you catch a cold. And when you hang out in a room full of people who are playing a certain way, you catch that too. And I did the thing with Merl, and I did the thing with Nicky Hopkins, and I did the thing with Cipollina. I did the thing with all the same people. John Kahn. All the same time, the same style of music, and did not have any success doing it, none. Zero success. And I've either been living in a car, or living in a tree, or camping on somebody's couch since '75, since I got to California. The pressure to maintain some kind of integrity to play in that kind of music and to do that improvisational small-band thing without any rewards is a lot more pressure to maintain than what does it feel like to be playing with these guys or being in Jerry Garcia's place or something like that. That's not it.


Link if you want to check out the whole thing:
http://ezone.org/interviews/kimock/intro.html

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Poster: bluedevil Date: January 08, 2010 03:34:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kimock as Bogart

Thanks a lot - I was curious how their paths first crossed and what led Garcia to cite Kimock as one of his favorite guitarist.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: January 10, 2010 01:34:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kimock as Bogart

hey BD I often think of that quote when people were calling Kimock a Garcia clone. Garcia would have never have said that if he thought that was the case dont you agree? I like Kimock alot, he really sneaks up in a subtle way and does some amazing things. In that way he does remind me of Garcia

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: January 08, 2010 09:40:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

Great find, buscameby! Thanks. And in two and a half months Keith would be gone. This must be one of his last gigs. Nice to hear his pipes on this.
And thanks Jessandra for the additional info. I'm a big Zero fan so this was a nice thread.

This post was modified by jackstraw86 on 2010-01-09 05:40:14

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Poster: user unknown Date: January 09, 2010 07:51:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

Thanks for the link.

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Poster: amellowsoul Date: January 11, 2010 04:41:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and now for something competely WEIRD

Nice to see the "Cipollina" slot fulls a lot of things. ;-) I cleared him and "Dinosaurs" with offical sources, and that's why we are able to share.

Been about 2 years since I have added a show, but I do have plenty more to offer! It would be best to ask some of my sources that it's okay for me to do so, but the file name change, the making of a new MD5, et al.

I also tell Steve K. & crew on the offical John Cipollina site when I post a show. It was kinda an unspoken part of the deal. I highly suggest anyone else who does upload to the same.

THANKS VERY MUCH for keeping it going. This is a great show and terribly unique show.

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